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添加话题جودت在话题“Problem with neutrality”中的最新留言：3个月前
 | 本條目的版本84703380中，有内容譯自英語維基百科页面“Gaza genocide”（原作者列于其历史记录页）。 |
首轮翻译结束
[编辑]此条目今天终于翻译完成了。欢迎大家校对、纠错、改进、润色和更新。下面是几点说明：
- 本人翻译此条目大约始于 8 月 9 日（起先是在翻译工具里），至今天（10 月 24 日）全文翻译完成。所以，英文版上在此期间的改动，仅有少部分在当前的中文版中有所反映（基本是挪动位置、删除等不需要额外声明版权的操作）。
- 本条目目前已经有两项与文章超长相关的问题了：条目超长和模板超限。因此，下一步我会对条目进行拆分。具体来说，就是将较长的章单独成篇，并将其内容在本条目内精简。
--Ma3r（铁塔） 2024年10月24日 (四) 06:34 (UTC)
关于今天的移动
[编辑]@維基意識：抱歉，由于本人疏忽，编辑摘要里“英维的讨论”的链接里落掉了“:en:”，只好在这里补救一下——英维的讨论。--Ma3r（铁塔） 2024年10月28日 (一) 03:11 (UTC)
Problem with neutrality
[编辑]Hello, the article is currently not neutral because Israel is actually committing genocide against the people of Gaza. We cannot deny this, as it has been confirmed by human rights organizations such as the United Nations, and even some countries, such as South Africa, have filed a lawsuit against Israel. Even within Israel, there are two organizations, B'Tselem, and another organization that have confirmed this. Currently, the ones who officially deny the genocide are the United States and Israel, so the article is currently not neutral because it casts doubt on the occurrence of genocide and ignores international NGOs.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:07 (UTC)
- Israel is one of the United States' biggest allies, so its narrative denying the existence of genocide in Gaza should not be accepted. The United States is ultimately looking out for its own interests, so the existence of genocide should not be questioned and the text of the article should be modified, for example: "Israel is practicing genocide against the people of Gaza..." By the way, there is an ongoing discussion on English Wikipedia about this. (Here) --جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:15 (UTC)
- @Ghostingb Hello, can you translate the written English text? What is your opinion on the topic? Do you know someone interested in the topic who can join me in the discussion?--جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:31 (UTC)
- 您好，这篇文章大部分是我从英文维基翻译过来的，大约是去年 9 月的版本。当时，英维已将标题从其它标题改为《加沙种族灭绝》，我翻译时是尽量保持与英维一致。此后，文章没有作过大幅度修改，仅因为文章过长而将其拆分。不过，就我看来，文章的表述基本上符合您的意见。要说建议嘛，我觉得可以根据英维的讨论和更新，来更新中维。因为这个条目在中维似乎并不热门，近一年来，很少有人作实质性的编辑。--Ma3r（铁塔） 2025年8月22日 (五) 01:55 (UTC)
- 所以本人翻譯了一下現在英文版的第一段，然後加了需要更新。遺憾的是我沒有搞懂一些來源的標註方式，所以需要其他編者幫助修繕。——枰（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 06:44 (UTC)
- @Ma3r @優枰 What do you think of changing the introduction from "According to various organizations and scholars, Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing of the Gaza Strip." to "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing" The current introduction lacks impartiality and is biased toward the Israeli and American sides, who deny this, despite international organizations and even those within Israel, such as B'Tselem confirmed this.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 08:32 (UTC)
- 我覺得可以採用閣下提出的這個寫法。——枰（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 09:18 (UTC)
- Yeah, reasonable. Done. Please check.--Ma3r（铁塔） 2025年8月29日 (五) 07:25 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The introduction is still biased, compare it to the Armenian genocide. The introduction should be changed to “The Gaza genocide refers to the genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombardment. Numerous organizations and scholars have determined that Israel's actions constitute genocide, including a United Nations Special Committee,[34] Amnesty International,[35] Médecins Sans Frontières,[36] B'Tselem,[37] Physicians for Human Rights–Israel,[38] the International League for Human Rights,[39] numerous genocide researchers and international law scholars,[40] and many other experts.[41][42] Acts of genocide committed by Israel include: mass killings and the use of starvation as a method of warfare intended to destroy all or part of the population of Gaza. Other genocidal acts include the destruction of civilian infrastructure, the killing of medical personnel, the killing of people seeking assistance, large-scale forcible transfer, sexual violence, and the prevention of births." After the introduction, we can mention the opposing opinions.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月30日 (六) 08:45 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I can't tell the differences. Whould you like to explain the details of them?--Ma3r（铁塔） 2025年8月31日 (日) 07:52 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The current introduction contains this non-neutral text: “专家和人权组织所认定的种族灭绝行为包括：”--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:56 (UTC)
- Can be changed to: "种族灭绝行为包括:"--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:58 (UTC)
- Because as you know this is a fact--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 09:01 (UTC)
- Can be changed to: "种族灭绝行为包括:"--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:58 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The current introduction contains this non-neutral text: “专家和人权组织所认定的种族灭绝行为包括：”--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:56 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I can't tell the differences. Whould you like to explain the details of them?--Ma3r（铁塔） 2025年8月31日 (日) 07:52 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The introduction is still biased, compare it to the Armenian genocide. The introduction should be changed to “The Gaza genocide refers to the genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombardment. Numerous organizations and scholars have determined that Israel's actions constitute genocide, including a United Nations Special Committee,[34] Amnesty International,[35] Médecins Sans Frontières,[36] B'Tselem,[37] Physicians for Human Rights–Israel,[38] the International League for Human Rights,[39] numerous genocide researchers and international law scholars,[40] and many other experts.[41][42] Acts of genocide committed by Israel include: mass killings and the use of starvation as a method of warfare intended to destroy all or part of the population of Gaza. Other genocidal acts include the destruction of civilian infrastructure, the killing of medical personnel, the killing of people seeking assistance, large-scale forcible transfer, sexual violence, and the prevention of births." After the introduction, we can mention the opposing opinions.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月30日 (六) 08:45 (UTC)
- @Ma3r @優枰 What do you think of changing the introduction from "According to various organizations and scholars, Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing of the Gaza Strip." to "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing" The current introduction lacks impartiality and is biased toward the Israeli and American sides, who deny this, despite international organizations and even those within Israel, such as B'Tselem confirmed this.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 08:32 (UTC)