討論:加薩種族滅絕
新增話題由جودت在話題Problem with neutrality上作出的最新留言：3 個月前
 | 本條目的版本84703380中，有內容譯自英語維基百科頁面「Gaza genocide」（原作者列於其歷史記錄頁）。 |
首輪翻譯結束
[編輯]此條目今天終於翻譯完成了。歡迎大家校對、糾錯、改進、潤色和更新。下面是幾點說明：
- 本人翻譯此條目大約始於 8 月 9 日（起先是在翻譯工具里），至今天（10 月 24 日）全文翻譯完成。所以，英文版上在此期間的改動，僅有少部分在當前的中文版中有所反映（基本是挪動位置、刪除等不需要額外聲明版權的操作）。
- 本條目目前已經有兩項與文章超長相關的問題了：條目超長和模板超限。因此，下一步我會對條目進行拆分。具體來說，就是將較長的章單獨成篇，並將其內容在本條目內精簡。
--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2024年10月24日 (四) 06:34 (UTC)
關於今天的移動
[編輯]@維基意識：抱歉，由於本人疏忽，編輯摘要里「英維的討論」的連結里落掉了「:en:」，只好在這裡補救一下——英維的討論。--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2024年10月28日 (一) 03:11 (UTC)
Problem with neutrality
[編輯]Hello, the article is currently not neutral because Israel is actually committing genocide against the people of Gaza. We cannot deny this, as it has been confirmed by human rights organizations such as the United Nations, and even some countries, such as South Africa, have filed a lawsuit against Israel. Even within Israel, there are two organizations, B'Tselem, and another organization that have confirmed this. Currently, the ones who officially deny the genocide are the United States and Israel, so the article is currently not neutral because it casts doubt on the occurrence of genocide and ignores international NGOs.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:07 (UTC)
- Israel is one of the United States' biggest allies, so its narrative denying the existence of genocide in Gaza should not be accepted. The United States is ultimately looking out for its own interests, so the existence of genocide should not be questioned and the text of the article should be modified, for example: "Israel is practicing genocide against the people of Gaza..." By the way, there is an ongoing discussion on English Wikipedia about this. (Here) --جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:15 (UTC)
- @Ghostingb Hello, can you translate the written English text? What is your opinion on the topic? Do you know someone interested in the topic who can join me in the discussion?--جودت（留言） 2025年8月21日 (四) 12:31 (UTC)
- 您好，這篇文章大部分是我從英文維基翻譯過來的，大約是去年 9 月的版本。當時，英維已將標題從其它標題改為《加沙種族滅絕》，我翻譯時是儘量保持與英維一致。此後，文章沒有作過大幅度修改，僅因為文章過長而將其拆分。不過，就我看來，文章的表述基本上符合您的意見。要說建議嘛，我覺得可以根據英維的討論和更新，來更新中維。因為這個條目在中維似乎並不熱門，近一年來，很少有人作實質性的編輯。--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2025年8月22日 (五) 01:55 (UTC)
- 所以本人翻譯了一下現在英文版的第一段，然後加了需要更新。遺憾的是我沒有搞懂一些來源的標註方式，所以需要其他編者幫助修繕。——枰（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 06:44 (UTC)
- @Ma3r @優枰 What do you think of changing the introduction from "According to various organizations and scholars, Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing of the Gaza Strip." to "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing" The current introduction lacks impartiality and is biased toward the Israeli and American sides, who deny this, despite international organizations and even those within Israel, such as B'Tselem confirmed this.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 08:32 (UTC)
- 我覺得可以採用閣下提出的這個寫法。——枰（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 09:18 (UTC)
- Yeah, reasonable. Done. Please check.--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2025年8月29日 (五) 07:25 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The introduction is still biased, compare it to the Armenian genocide. The introduction should be changed to 「The Gaza genocide refers to the genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombardment. Numerous organizations and scholars have determined that Israel's actions constitute genocide, including a United Nations Special Committee,[34] Amnesty International,[35] Médecins Sans Frontières,[36] B'Tselem,[37] Physicians for Human Rights–Israel,[38] the International League for Human Rights,[39] numerous genocide researchers and international law scholars,[40] and many other experts.[41][42] Acts of genocide committed by Israel include: mass killings and the use of starvation as a method of warfare intended to destroy all or part of the population of Gaza. Other genocidal acts include the destruction of civilian infrastructure, the killing of medical personnel, the killing of people seeking assistance, large-scale forcible transfer, sexual violence, and the prevention of births." After the introduction, we can mention the opposing opinions.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月30日 (六) 08:45 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I can't tell the differences. Whould you like to explain the details of them?--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2025年8月31日 (日) 07:52 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The current introduction contains this non-neutral text: 「專家和人權組織所認定的種族滅絕行為包括：」--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:56 (UTC)
- Can be changed to: "種族滅絕行為包括:"--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:58 (UTC)
- Because as you know this is a fact--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 09:01 (UTC)
- Can be changed to: "種族滅絕行為包括:"--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:58 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The current introduction contains this non-neutral text: 「專家和人權組織所認定的種族滅絕行為包括：」--جودت（留言） 2025年8月31日 (日) 08:56 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I can't tell the differences. Whould you like to explain the details of them?--Ma3r（鐵塔） 2025年8月31日 (日) 07:52 (UTC)
- @Ma3r The introduction is still biased, compare it to the Armenian genocide. The introduction should be changed to 「The Gaza genocide refers to the genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombardment. Numerous organizations and scholars have determined that Israel's actions constitute genocide, including a United Nations Special Committee,[34] Amnesty International,[35] Médecins Sans Frontières,[36] B'Tselem,[37] Physicians for Human Rights–Israel,[38] the International League for Human Rights,[39] numerous genocide researchers and international law scholars,[40] and many other experts.[41][42] Acts of genocide committed by Israel include: mass killings and the use of starvation as a method of warfare intended to destroy all or part of the population of Gaza. Other genocidal acts include the destruction of civilian infrastructure, the killing of medical personnel, the killing of people seeking assistance, large-scale forcible transfer, sexual violence, and the prevention of births." After the introduction, we can mention the opposing opinions.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月30日 (六) 08:45 (UTC)
- @Ma3r @優枰 What do you think of changing the introduction from "According to various organizations and scholars, Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing of the Gaza Strip." to "Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip through its ongoing blockade, invasion, and bombing" The current introduction lacks impartiality and is biased toward the Israeli and American sides, who deny this, despite international organizations and even those within Israel, such as B'Tselem confirmed this.--جودت（留言） 2025年8月28日 (四) 08:32 (UTC)